fringe Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Besides the already known ones, we know no Red Sox will be named since Mitchell sits on the board. But they may throw Schilling in the fire because everyone hates him anyway. Clemens ARod Tejada Luis Gonzalez Entire Team picture of '93 Phillies Gagme Dunne Eric Byrnes Cabrera Pujols I'll keep thinking on it. Feel free to add yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I can't see Clemens or Arod (though being able to call him "Aroid" would be awesome ). I just think those guys are smart enough and big enough to have their own guys. I don't think they'd go through some joker in the Mets' clubhouse or somebody like that. I think you're wrong about Mitchell's involvement and the Red Sox, though. At this point, I almost feel like he's feeling pressure to put someone, anyone from the Sox on the list if he can. I'm just hoping it's somebody like Gabe Kapler or Trot. Got a bad feeling about Lowell, though. God forbid Papi, Manny, or Beckett. I think I'd probably shoot myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Besides the already known ones, we know no Red Sox will be named since Mitchell sits on the board. But they may throw Schilling in the fire because everyone hates him anyway. Clemens ARod Tejada Luis Gonzalez Entire Team picture of '93 Phillies Gagme Dunne Eric Byrnes Cabrera Pujols I'll keep thinking on it. Feel free to add yours. im with you on everyone but cabrera (assuming you meant miguel). burrell giles brothers burnitz mo vaughn greg vaughn pettitte valverde kevin brown randy johnson larry walker kerry wood thome cordero (the one who just signed) shawn green delgado barry bonds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 I can't see Clemens or Arod (though being able to call him "Aroid" would be awesome ). I just think those guys are smart enough and big enough to have their own guys. I don't think they'd go through some joker in the Mets' clubhouse or somebody like that. I think you're wrong about Mitchell's involvement and the Red Sox, though. At this point, I almost feel like he's feeling pressure to put someone, anyone from the Sox on the list if he can. I'm just hoping it's somebody like Gabe Kapler or Trot. Got a bad feeling about Lowell, though. God forbid Papi, Manny, or Beckett. I think I'd probably shoot myself. Well, so far everything Canseco has said was true, and he implicated on A-Rod, so we'll see. Awesome- Shawn Green, really? I guess he did have that one big HR year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 Btw, the only reason I said Cabrera is because I heard Florida and Cincinnati trainers were questioned multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Well, so far everything Canseco has said was true, and he implicated on A-Rod, so we'll see. Awesome- Shawn Green, really? I guess he did have that one big HR year. right before he cashed in on it--though he did have a couple of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Well, so far everything Canseco has said was true, and he implicated on A-Rod, so we'll see. Yeah, but if you read his quote on Arod carefully, he says he has "explosive information" on Arod (or something like that). He doesn't say anything about steroids. It could be that he had a mistress, or cheated on his taxes, or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditto Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I can't see Clemens or Arod (though being able to call him "Aroid" would be awesome ). I just think those guys are smart enough and big enough to have their own guys. I don't think they'd go through some joker in the Mets' clubhouse or somebody like that. I think you're wrong about Mitchell's involvement and the Red Sox, though. At this point, I almost feel like he's feeling pressure to put someone, anyone from the Sox on the list if he can. I'm just hoping it's somebody like Gabe Kapler or Trot. Got a bad feeling about Lowell, though. God forbid Papi, Manny, or Beckett. I think I'd probably shoot myself. I doubt Manny or Beckett. Maybe Nixon and Varitek. And I hate to say it, but I always kind of suspected Bernie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 mick i would think you are right regarding clemens and a-rod but clemens' name has already come up in the grimsley report (thoguh the names are blacked out, supposedly it is part of the mtichell report now), and though these guys have the means to have their own guys you can say that about many of these stars. relatively speaking most of them are poor compared to clemens and a-rod but they are still millionaires. i don't think any big name red sox player other than schilling would be in the report--i do find it odd that schilling reportedly refused to speak to mitchell, despite the so-called clubhouse code--he's had no problems breaking that code before and now suddenly he doesn't? maybe im off base but that seems a little fishy. and i am inclined to believe ortiz juiced. he absolutely came out of nowhere after being cut by the twins of all teams, had those heart issues, etc. but despite that i dont think he'll get outed, everyone loves the guy and i can't see anyone ratting him out if he is dirty. manny i would automatically assume except that he's been consistently ridiculous with the bat since he was young, so unless he started early i think he's clean. beckett? i mean if the guy didn't have so many injury problems plus that one year where you could argue that he was just adapting to the AL east hitters i would have expected him to have 4 great seasons in a row following the '03 world series. the injuries aren't steroid-type injuries (blisters and such right?), and it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility that a big kid from texas is throwing gas at the major league level w/o cheating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 mick i would think you are right regarding clemens and a-rod but clemens' name has already come up in the grimsley report (thoguh the names are blacked out, supposedly it is part of the mtichell report now), and though these guys have the means to have their own guys you can say that about many of these stars. relatively speaking most of them are poor compared to clemens and a-rod but they are still millionaires. i don't think any big name red sox player other than schilling would be in the report--i do find it odd that schilling reportedly refused to speak to mitchell, despite the so-called clubhouse code--he's had no problems breaking that code before and now suddenly he doesn't? maybe im off base but that seems a little fishy. and i am inclined to believe ortiz juiced. he absolutely came out of nowhere after being cut by the twins of all teams, had those heart issues, etc. but despite that i dont think he'll get outed, everyone loves the guy and i can't see anyone ratting him out if he is dirty. manny i would automatically assume except that he's been consistently ridiculous with the bat since he was young, so unless he started early i think he's clean. beckett? i mean if the guy didn't have so many injury problems plus that one year where you could argue that he was just adapting to the AL east hitters i would have expected him to have 4 great seasons in a row following the '03 world series. the injuries aren't steroid-type injuries (blisters and such right?), and it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility that a big kid from texas is throwing gas at the major league level w/o cheating My only reason for worrying about Beckett is that it seems like guys with injuries were using the stuff to recover, which makes sense (though it's still cheating), and he had some injuries. Ortiz would make sense, although he doesn't look like your typical steroid user. Schilling, I really don't think so. I think the only reason he was called to testify was because he was a player who was known beyond the realm of baseball, who often spoke his mind and may have been able, or willing, to shed some light. Yeah, he's an idiot, but I don't picture him a cheater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Actually, I thought Beckett had injuries other than blisters with the Marlins, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 it's gonna be a fun day. just think, if it weren't for balco and 2 jerks from the chronicle, none of this would have come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 he had a back injury in '05, and was on 15-day DL but i dont know how long he was actually out. that's all i could find on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 it's gonna be a fun day. just think, if it weren't for balco and 2 jerks from the chronicle, none of this would have come out. it's like christmas, i feel like such a nerd "The sources would not reveal the names of players included in the report, but confirmed that as many as 80 are listed. One lawyer expected several "very, very high-level names" to be exposed, although Mitchell is frank in the report about how difficult it was to get information regarding the extent of player use." (espn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 he had a back injury in '05, and was on 15-day DL but i dont know how long he was actually out. that's all i could find on him Yeah, I saw that he had shoulder tendonitis, too. Long time ago, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeMeSomeFoodHo Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 how gay is this mitchell report thing. jesus, 80 players. the fact that there are only 80 names in the report show what a bogus report it is....should be more like 8000 names. george mitchell is an old douche bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Roger Clemens and Andy Pettite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Ivan Rodriguez Chipper Jones Jeff Bagwell Frank Thomas Jeff Kent C. Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeMeSomeFoodHo Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 what a rat piece of shit...guy put Daryl Kile in it...guys dead, couldnt have left that one out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 I dod not see Pettite. FP Santangelo? There's one i didn't see coming. Guy never sniffed .220 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 woo hoo, only one childhood hero of mine is in the report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 no giles boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 very anti-climatic though, at least half these guys have had a public report on them prior to mitchell report. the only guys i was surprised about where not all-star caliber players. either they couldn't dig very deep cuz of the mlbpa and no subpoena, or they are just holding back the big players who who would shock everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 no giles boys brian got off the train early, he was smart. he's turned into a pretty good player w/o them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 are there any red sox? i don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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