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#1 Tempest

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Posted 02 January 2019 - 10:07 PM

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – The Giants finished the 2018 season in the NFC East cellar with only five victories, but their 369 points were more than any of their three division rivals.
 
“I almost fell down when they told me we scored more points than anybody else in the division, which kind of blew my mind,” general manager Dave Gettleman said today.
 
The news that the Giants also allowed a division-high 412 points – 43 points more than No. 2 Washington – did not exactly shock Gettleman.
 
“That’s why you’re 5-11,” Gettleman said. 
 
Gettleman discussed many issues at his postseason news conference, including the high number of close games the Giants played. Twelve of their 16 contests were decided by seven points or less, tying them with Philadelphia and Pittsburgh for the NFL high. But they lost eight of those games, the most in the league. The Giants led in the fourth quarter in four of those defeats, including each of their last two games, which ended with one-point losses at Indianapolis (28-27) and to Dallas (36-35).
 
“We’ve got to continue to improve,” Gettleman said. “It’s not easy to win games when you don’t have playmakers. We need to improve the defense, guys. Just like I looked you right in the eye last year and told you we’ve got to fix this O-line, we’ve got to get better on the defensive side.”
 
Despite the record and the roster restructuring needed to return the Giants to playoff contention, Gettleman believes the franchise built a solid base in his first year on the job. Now he’s looking to add more productive veteran players, have another good draft, and watch the team grow and improve in Pat Shurmur’s second season as head coach.
 
“I feel good because, number one, winning in the NFL is not easy,” he said. “It’s hard. Winning a game in the NFL is hard. If anybody tells you any different, they’ve never played, they don’t know the game. It’s very difficult. To go 1-7 for the first half of the year and to lose a number of close games - I think we tied for the league lead with 12 games decided by a touchdown or less, and it would’ve been 13 if the Saints didn’t score that late touchdown. To lose games like that, be 1-7 and to have the types of practices we were having where there was focus, there was energy, things were getting accomplished and the proof was in the pudding by what we did in the last eight games (when the Giants were 4-4). That’s what encourages me, that’s why I think the foundation is right. You didn’t have any of the crap going on in the locker room that happened last year. There is nobody in this room that can argue with me on one point: this team did not quit. It was competitive as hell. That’s the start.
 
“We’re headed in the right direction, I really believe that. We’ve had a year, we’ve done a lot of different types of things. Obviously, we’ve done a pretty extensive overhaul with the roster. We consistently talked about culture and building a winning culture. Again, it’s a team that had to learn how to win again. So I feel really good about the foundation that we’ve started to lay. I’m not happy with 5-11, nobody is, but I feel good about where we’re headed. There’s eight franchises right now looking for head coaches and the common theme coming out of them was they needed to get in the right direction. Well, I feel very strongly and very good about it – and it’s easy for me to say it to you people that we are headed in the right direction.”
 
Gettleman’s first draft delivered wondrous running back Saquon Barkley, plus left guard Will Hernandez, who started every game; defensive contributors Lorenzo Carter, B.J. Hill and RJ McIntosh; plus quarterback Kyle Lauletta. He also brought in veterans Nate Solder, Alec Ogletree, Michael Thomas, Kareem Martin, Patrick Omameh, Jonathan Stewart, Riley Dixon and Curtis Riley. Most of them helped the team considerably. Some did not, proving yet again that player acquisition is an inexact science.
 
But Gettleman stands by each decision.
 
“By the end of the year, we had one of the youngest teams in the league,” he said. “Listen, nobody likes losing. Nobody. Anybody in here like losing, you want to raise your hands? Nobody likes to lose. So what you have to do when you come in is you evaluate what you have and you say to yourself, remember, I’ve told you guys – I’m on that tight rope, and me in a tutu on a tightrope ain’t pretty. It’s the tight rope of you want to win now, you want to get those wins now, because you’ve got a coaching staff whose fannies are on the line every Sunday, and you want to set the team up, the franchise up, for sustained success. We sat back, we made the decisions we made last year, and here we are. There’s some good stuff and there’s some stuff we’ve got to fix.”
 
Gettleman said he will approach this offseason differently than his first.
 
“We have different issues,” he said. “One of the biggest issues we had last year that we had to fix was what? The locker room. And both Jonathan Stewart and Patrick Omameh are true professionals, and they were brought here for a specific purpose, they were brought here for other reasons than their play. Just understand that. We feel like we’ve turned that corner, especially with this rookie class. Saquon is unique. I stood up here and you watched me drool all over myself in the pre-draft. It was ugly, wasn’t it? Things happen. I should’ve worn a bib from Joe’s Stone Crab. My point is, he’s unique and he’s special. So is Will Hernandez, and B.J. and Lorenzo, and RJ is still growing up physically. Kyle is in a different spot because of the quarterback position. But this is all part of the process. We’ll continue to vet guys out, we’re only going to bring quality people in here that hate to lose. That will stay the same. Obviously, we’re different than we were 12 months ago, we’re in a different place, so we’ll approach things somewhat differently.”
 
Gettleman’ views on at least one important player haven’t changed: wide receiver Odell Beckham, Jr., who missed the last four games with a quad injury.
 
“We didn’t sign him to trade him, if that’s what you’re asking me,” Gettleman said. “The bottom line is you want him on the field. I have this crazy idea that he’s a great player, so let’s get him on the field. Unfortunately, he got the leg whip and those calves (quads) can be funny things, they really can. The offense did what it did with him and it did what it did without him.”
 
Given what happened during the season and what he said today, what is Gettleman’s message to Giants fans, who have endured five losing seasons in six years?
 
“The message is what I’ve said to you before: we’re going in the right direction,” Gettleman said. “We had a lot of competitive games and we’re getting better, and we’re going to continue to fix this.”


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Posted 02 January 2019 - 10:11 PM

I liked what David Gettleman said last year in his press conference.  Everything he said he was going to do he has done.  His message hasn't changed from last year to this year.  I thought we made the right decision with Gettleman last year and still do.

 

For the 2019 draft, the New York Giants select:  The Best Player Available.



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Posted 02 January 2019 - 11:54 PM

I liked what David Gettleman said last year in his press conference.  Everything he said he was going to do he has done.  His message hasn't changed from last year to this year.  I thought we made the right decision with Gettleman last year and still do.

 

For the 2019 draft, the New York Giants select:  The Best Player Available.

neither has our record much



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Posted 03 January 2019 - 04:09 AM

Very impressive. I like DG... hes like a dad you really dont wanna mess with.

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 02:09 AM

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He has a plan



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 12:43 PM

neither has our record much


Considering the team went thru a complete overall at the coaching level and roster level, I'm surprised we won more than 2 games.

Not excusing the fact it was a disappointing season but it's the rebuilding period the team is going to suck for a few seasons until they can build the roster they want.

They should of pulled the trigger when Coughlin left instead of trying to milk it with the prodigy MacAttack

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 01:13 PM

Considering the team went thru a complete overall at the coaching level and roster level, I'm surprised we won more than 2 games.

Not excusing the fact it was a disappointing season but it's the rebuilding period the team is going to suck for a few seasons until they can build the roster they want.

They should of pulled the trigger when Coughlin left instead of trying to milk it with the prodigy MacAttack

Time will tell. Seems like McCarthy is waiting for a job to develop. Maybe he's our guy if Shurmur shits the bed. 



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 04:12 PM

Time will tell. Seems like McCarthy is waiting for a job to develop. Maybe he's our guy if Shurmur shits the bed. 

 

I don't feel like this is a one, two year thing with Shurmur and Gettleman.  They're trying to build a program here.  It takes time. 

 

Barring a total collapse I think those two get four years minimum. 



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 04:42 PM

 

I don't feel like this is a one, two year thing with Shurmur and Gettleman.  They're trying to build a program here.  It takes time. 

 

Barring a total collapse I think those two get four years minimum. 

I don't think Gettleman and Shurmur are a package deal, do you? I think Shurmur needs to show something besides wearing a suit better than the last guy. I was not really impressed with him last year, nor the DC



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 06:11 PM

I don't think Gettleman and Shurmur are a package deal, do you? I think Shurmur needs to show something besides wearing a suit better than the last guy. I was not really impressed with him last year, nor the DC

 

I don't think any coach (HC/OC/DC) with the talent level they had last year would of done well.



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 06:27 PM

Yes, I agree- but I cant really point to anything they did particularly well.

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 09:15 PM

 
I don't think any coach (HC/OC/DC) with the talent level they had last year would of done well.


I honestly think they got rid of a lot of players that were underperforming and Gettleman and co are taking tons of heat for it. I had no problem letting guys like Vernon, Apple, and Harrison go. Bringing in Olden Tate is odd, though. Just hope he makes up a fraction of OBJ production.

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 09:20 PM

I honestly think they got rid of a lot of players that were underperforming and Gettleman and co are taking tons of heat for it. I had no problem letting guys like Vernon, Apple, and Harrison go. Bringing in Olden Tate is odd, though. Just hope he makes up a fraction of OBJ production.

 

Tate has been really solid, when he's healthy lol I see him as a Deseaun Jackson, can still make plays with age.

 

But I agree, trading guys like Harrison/Apple/Venon (despite being the only pass rusher on the team), were good moves, none of those guys were going to make or break this year or next.

 

Apple has really come on with the Saints though, maybe a change of locker room thing.



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 09:40 PM

I honestly think they got rid of a lot of players that were underperforming and Gettleman and co are taking tons of heat for it. I had no problem letting guys like Vernon, Apple, and Harrison go. Bringing in Olden Tate is odd, though. Just hope he makes up a fraction of OBJ production.

I dont hear people giving him heat for any of those moves.

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 10:10 PM

I dont hear people giving him heat for any of those moves.


Well, I think Collins is a pure box safety that underperforms too. I see a lot of people on twitter talking about getting rid of their only good players and blowing up the defense. The Beckham move sucked but I get it. And people went nuts when Snacks was traded.

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 10:13 PM

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He has a plan

 

So nobody is going to say anything about the younger Dave Gettleman from his head coaching days?



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 10:14 PM

I dont hear people giving him heat for any of those moves.

 

I dunno when Harrison was traded NFL network went fucking berserk on the Giants.

 

There were a good handful or articles after the season was over as well saying the Giants got shafted on the trades.

 

But the defence was going to suck regardless of Apple/Harrison being on the field.

 

But yeah the biggest ones the Giants have been smacked around over is the Collins/OBJ moves, simply because Eli is still the QB.

 

"OH MY GERD THEY ARE CHOSING A 38 YEAR OLD QB OVER THE BEST SAFETY AND WR EVER!!?!??!??!"



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Posted 21 March 2019 - 02:15 AM

I don't think Gettleman and Shurmur are a package deal, do you? I think Shurmur needs to show something besides wearing a suit better than the last guy. I was not really impressed with him last year, nor the DC


There were some deer in the headlights moments. I hope thats just growing pains...

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 02:20 AM

Shurmur shouldnt be having growing pains. He had the experience. Game management, clock management, and situational awareness and playcalling were subpar and that has nothing to do with roster talent. However, I saw enough good that I think he learned over the course of the season and improved. Im willing to give Shurmur time. I think he handles the team well and he has the intangibles, like Eli, to lead a team. I hope that makes sense.

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 09:55 AM

Hes a bad gm

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:46 PM

Shurmur shouldnt be having growing pains. He had the experience. Game management, clock management, and situational awareness and playcalling were subpar and that has nothing to do with roster talent. However, I saw enough good that I think he learned over the course of the season and improved. Im willing to give Shurmur time. I think he handles the team well and he has the intangibles, like Eli, to lead a team. I hope that makes sense.


The more you look around the NFL the more you realize there are not that many coaches out there who are actually good game managers.

Even Billys clock management in NE is awful and his constant fourth down gambles, he just gets a pass because they always win.

Might just be because of the on field emotion and the fans having the advantage of just being able to arm chair everything.

I can't even think of a single HC that is known for his game management and what not.

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 02:38 PM

The more you look around the NFL the more you realize there are not that many coaches out there who are actually good game managers.

Even Billys clock management in NE is awful and his constant fourth down gambles, he just gets a pass because they always win.

Might just be because of the on field emotion and the fans having the advantage of just being able to arm chair everything.

I can't even think of a single HC that is known for his game management and what not.

 

I think a lot of these head coaches would benefit from playing a crap ton of Madden. Your average Madden geek kid (or insert other old school football simulator here) has 100s if not 1000s of times more experience than any real-life coach when it comes to dealing with end of game, clock management situations. That is probably most of us at this point.

 

 

Hes a bad gm

 

a lot of his moves seem like a bad impression of what Belichick would do. 



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Posted 04 July 2019 - 12:40 AM

I still think the team is heading in the right direction as we head into the preseason/training camp.  Amazing to read how he had equivocally denied any desire to trade Odell Beckham Jr. and to do so weeks later.   I still believe he didn't want to trade him yet traded him for a better team down the road.  Odell Beckham Jr. is a player who would be better on a team ready for the super bowl not on a team that the Giants currently have.  I wish it could have been different yet the goal remains the same.

 

We go into training camp with a young and unproven team full of players who have a lot to accomplish.  I think the combination of schedule and players the team will overachieve and will win more games than expected. 



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Posted 08 July 2019 - 05:26 PM

I still think the team is heading in the right direction as we head into the preseason/training camp.  Amazing to read how he had equivocally denied any desire to trade Odell Beckham Jr. and to do so weeks later.   I still believe he didn't want to trade him yet traded him for a better team down the road.  Odell Beckham Jr. is a player who would be better on a team ready for the super bowl not on a team that the Giants currently have.  I wish it could have been different yet the goal remains the same.
 
We go into training camp with a young and unproven team full of players who have a lot to accomplish.  I think the combination of schedule and players the team will overachieve and will win more games than expected. 


Im still a shocked that Gettleman didnt address the OL a little more in the Draft. There were a few OL on the board that was available for our 3rd 1st round draft pick. Though I do like Baker. I wish we would have gone with a Tackle in the first

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 06:01 PM

Im still a shocked that Gettleman didnt address the OL a little more in the Draft. There were a few OL on the board that was available for our 3rd 1st round draft pick. Though I do like Baker. I wish we would have gone with a Tackle in the first

 

I like who we got (Baker, Lawrence), but yeah, that's the one thing that really surprised me.... thought for sure we'd come out of the draft with a tackle prospect. 






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