Herc Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Im ready to move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 In hindsight.... although Eli has been mediocre for a very long time... but in hindsight... thinking Eli still had a couple of years left was a very wrong assumption.... For the first time in a very long time I was seeing Dave Brown out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaNJ Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 If it weren't for the fact that he's getting David Carr'd out there, I'd still like to see him perform with a little time. Beckham is double covered on almost every play. That means Eli has to look off him to let his route develop. By the time he does that, the rush is on him. The rest of the stuff, tipped int's fumbles, inaccuracy- that's been going on his entire career. A QB who's a threat to run can hold up 1 or 2 rushers whose job it is to protect the outside. I'd say this is 75% on the Oline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I dont believe anyone who said Manning was the problem back in 2014 and 2015. Damian Woody is a faggot for saying that. Jealous Jet cunt. Anyways. Eli Manning is shot, not all of it is his fault. Hes got David Carr disease. No cure for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Once you feel you can't trust your line it's over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I dont believe anyone who said Manning was the problem back in 2014 and 2015. Damian Woody is a faggot for saying that. Jealous Jet cunt. Anyways. Eli Manning is shot, not all of it is his fault. Hes got David Carr disease. No cure for it. Eli Manning is not David Carr and a blocking offensive line would be a good start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayD Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Difference this year is he isn't making many plays even when he has time. I understand he has always had times were he looked like crap, only to come back and look good again. Would throw two picks in the first quarter, then lead the game winning drive in the 4th. We are seeing next to nothing from him now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 When he did hang in there and get the ball downfield, his feet looked desperate and the throws were poor. I hate to say it, but... It's time to move on. Probably wouldn't be the case if the OL had been respectable all these years, but there's nothing that can fix that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Was just reading an article about a new metric ESPN is working on which objectively measures offensive line performance, pass block win rate. Good is about 50%. Really bad is about 30%. Against the Eagles the Giants were at 5%. So partly, I'm saying it's time to move along from Eli because I don't want to see him killed out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Was just reading an article about a new metric ESPN is working on which objectively measures offensive line performance, pass block win rate. Good is about 50%. Really bad is about 30%. Against the Eagles the Giants were at 5%. So partly, I'm saying it's time to move along from Eli because I don't want to see him killed out there. i agree- although, he seems to be made of silly putty because he always bounces back. that last hit, i thought i saw pieces of brain come out, yet he jogged over to the sidelines like nothin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Future Giants QB vs. Washington today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Was just reading an article about a new metric ESPN is working on which objectively measures offensive line performance, pass block win rate. Good is about 50%. Really bad is about 30%. Against the Eagles the Giants were at 5%. So partly, I'm saying it's time to move along from Eli because I don't want to see him killed out there. He'll keep bouncing back. There was one defining game for me when it comes to the durability of Eli Manning and that was the NFC conference championship game against the 49ers. He got absolutely crushed that game. Sadly he won't die on the field like a warrior but in the media as a scapegoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Was just reading an article about a new metric ESPN is working on which objectively measures offensive line performance, pass block win rate. Good is about 50%. Really bad is about 30%. Against the Eagles the Giants were at 5%. So partly, I'm saying it's time to move along from Eli because I don't want to see him killed out there. Yeah, according to PFF the Giants have the 24th best line in the league, or the 8th worst depending on how you look at it. Incedentally, Pugh and Richburg are both rated pretty terribly. Eli's skills are eroding for sure, but if we were to stick some green-assed rookie behind this line we really would end up with the next David Carr. That's why I suggested in the other thread that we draft a QB first, then the best interior O-lineman we can find, and add another one in free agency (a good one... not Patrick Omameh). Like it or not, Eli is the best option this year. Just as we were saying about Webb last year, it'd be tough to evaluate any rookie when they only have a second and a half to get rid of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayD Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Yeah Temp, that game against the 9ers was definitely top 3 of Eli's best games ever. He was not only taking an unbelievable beating, but was getting right back up and completing passes. You couldn't tell by looking at him, but he has been the most durable QB in his time. Remember in the beginning of 07 when he basically separated his shoulder? Doctor told him he'd be out 4 to 6 weeks minimum. He was back on the field the next week. Didn't miss a single game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 Future Giants QB vs. Washington today Who? I watched a little bit of highlights for Herbert.... and in all of them he had a clean pocket and all the time in the world to throw.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Eli Manning is not David Carr and a blocking offensive line would be a good start Did you even read what I wrote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Did you even read what I wrote? Which part did you think I missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Did you even read what I wrote?Read? Yes comprehend? Probably not. His thickness is epic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 so I'm watching Pittsburgh - Cincinnati.... Just for fun, or to torture myself, I'm specifically focusing on the protection and counting out how much time Dalton and Rapelisberger have to throw.... routinely three seconds, and usually the pressure isn't even a factor at all. So this is what competent blocking looks like. I can't help but think that if Eli had this kind of protection - the Bengals OL isn't even average - we'd be winning some games. four seconds for Rapelisberger on that last throw, and he doesn't even get touched, jesus…. anybody start a 2019 free agent offensive line thread yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Yes I was watch and thinking that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2018 so I'm watching Pittsburgh - Cincinnati.... Just for fun, or to torture myself, I'm specifically focusing on the protection and counting out how much time Dalton and Rapelisberger have to throw.... routinely three seconds, and usually the pressure isn't even a factor at all. So this is what competent blocking looks like. I can't help but think that if Eli had this kind of protection - the Bengals OL isn't even average - we'd be winning some games. four seconds for Rapelisberger on that last throw, and he doesn't even get touched, jesus. anybody start a 2019 free agent offensive line thread yet? Good offensive lineman are almost never available in free agency except for the overpriced ones..... our draft picks should be QB OL, OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 What a throw on the run by Dalton ... for naught Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 lol Cam Newton is an awful QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 so I'm watching Pittsburgh - Cincinnati.... Just for fun, or to torture myself, I'm specifically focusing on the protection and counting out how much time Dalton and Rapelisberger have to throw.... routinely three seconds, and usually the pressure isn't even a factor at all. So this is what competent blocking looks like. I can't help but think that if Eli had this kind of protection - the Bengals OL isn't even average - we'd be winning some games. four seconds for Rapelisberger on that last throw, and he doesn't even get touched, jesus…. anybody start a 2019 free agent offensive line thread yet? We're still on Eli at the moment. I'd be surprised if the Giants jump back into the free agency trying to fill holes with big signings in 2019. We have some home grown talent that we need to keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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