osi724dasack Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 NFL | Upshaw tells agents to be ready for an uncapped 2007 season Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:19:59 -0800 ESPN.com's John Clayton reports NFL Players Association executive director Gene Upshaw told a seminar of agents Friday morning, Feb. 24, to prepare for a 2006 season without a collective bargaining extension, setting up an uncapped year in 2007. "March 3 will be the beginning of a new league year and we are just not there yet," Upshaw said. "I'm taking the position now that it won't get done." Three major issues were cited by Upshaw as the reason for no collective bargaining agreement extension. 1) Neither side can agree on the percentage of total revenues that will go to the players. 2) The NFLPA won't agree to any type of CBA extension that doesn't have a new revenue sharing plan in the future. 3) Upshaw's third difference is the league's "G-3" program in which money is loaned to teams by the league to finance new stadium construction. Three major issues were cited by Upshaw as the reason for no collective bargaining agreement extension. • Neither side can agree on the percentage of total revenues that will go to the players. Upshaw wouldn't elaborate on where the numbers were in the negotiations, but he has publicly said he wants a percentage number in the sixties. Reportedly, the sides are four percent apart but that number wasn't discussed by Upshaw. "We want to have a higher percentage," Upshaw said. "We want more dollars to come into the system." How significant is the percentage differential? Upshaw said each percentage point is worth $2 million of cap room per team early in any CBA agreement, $2.5 million in the middle and $2.9 million in the end. • The NFLPA won't agree to any type of CBA extension that doesn't have a new revenue sharing plan in the future. The differences between the high and lower revenue sharing teams have grown as much as $100 million dollars. The league owners aren't close on any revenue sharing deal among themselves, and Upshaw considers that something the union would never accept in a new deal without revised revenue sharing. • Upshaw's third difference is the league's "G-3" program in which money is loaned to teams by the league to finance new stadium construction. The union has to sign off on any "G-3" plan because it comes out of the gross revenue pool. Upshaw is asking for a "flip tax" in which the union gets a return on the investment. The NFLPA hasn't signed off on new stadium "G-3" deals for the Cowboys, Colts and Giants. With nothing on the horizon that gives him optimism of any breakthroughs, Upshaw set a soft deadline of Friday for getting a CBA extension. According to him, the sides are so far apart that a six-year extension would be hard to settle before the hard deadline of March 3. To give agents guidance, Upshaw told the room that the 2006 cap should be between $92 million and $95 million but he thinks the realistic number will be $96 million. That number should be settled within in the next day or so. He said the benefits package paid by teams is $13.8 million. Though he will be available by phone, Upshaw planned to leave Indianapolis on Friday afternoon and return to Washington, D.C. "I'm leaving," Upshaw said. "We're running out of time. You might as well prepare as if we are heading for an upcapped year."[/b] ------------------------ WOW...I dont think that the Mara's have nearly enough money to keep up...this would ruin football The Cowboys, Redskins, and Seahawks would absolutely dominate the conferance if this were to happen... the very last sentence says it all and let me tell you something, once the cao goes, it wont be back for a while, I think, and maybe they will install a soft cap like the NBA, which is worse than no cap at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uconngiants Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Heard it on ESPN i really think no cap would hurt the league a lot you would have the Raiders and Al Davis turn into Steinbrenner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 Heard it on ESPN i really think no cap would hurt the league a lot you would have the Raiders and Al Davis turn into Steinbrenner true, same with Snyder, and J. Jones, and that Seattle owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uconngiants Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 true, same with Snyder, and J. Jones, and that Seattle owner I def think the mara's can not compete with them and we will eventully be bought out if it comes to that but that would be many years down the road by the time i am succeful and i will buy it but dont worry i will keep traditon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 I def think the mara's can not compete with them and we will eventully be bought out if it comes to that but that would be many years down the road by the time i am succeful and i will buy it but dont worry i will keep traditon bo they cant at all...not even close...just look at this link of the the top value teams (most revenue) LINK TO TEAM REVENUES!!! the Cowboys, Redskins, and Eagles are in the top 4....the giants are not even in the top 15... If this happens, I hope James Dolan buys the Giants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUND Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Here's 3 things that should likely put your fears to rest. First, the NFL owners have long had much more negotiating power than the players Union. The NFLPA is a joke. If the owners were able to negotiate a cap into place once, they damn sure aren't going to approve any deal that doesn't sustain it moving forward. The Players Union doesn't have enough clout to effectively negotiate an uncapped league. Dallas and Washington are among the team leaders in revenue however keep in mind that once the Giants new stadium is built they'll almost certainly be in the top 10. The current stadium isn't nearly as profitable across the board in luxury suite and concessions revenues. A new building will solve a lot of those woes. So worrying about a future landscape where the Giants are considered somewhat "small market" compared to their rivals isn't very accurate. Although I'll agree that we'll still never be a team that spends money the way Jerry Jones or Daniel Snyder would. Lastly, while it may seem that teams like Washington will go crazy in an uncapped market in the short term it may hurt them. Fat Lenny had a good article about this recently in which one AFC Cap Manager said he ran all the figures on the Skins for the comng season and if a CBA is NOT approved they'll be unable to meet the salary cap. In that scenario the team would get gutted worse than a fish, and even cutting the players wouldn't provide as much cap relief as one might think as in most cases their cap hit would accelerate to this season. Regardless, if the CBA isn't approved prior to this season the Redskins are screwed. Whereas if it is approved then the Skins have room to move as they can restructure contracts to allow for '07 and beyon cap charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 Here's 3 things that should likely put your fears to rest. First, the NFL owners have long had much more negotiating power than the players Union. The NFLPA is a joke. If the owners were able to negotiate a cap into place once, they damn sure aren't going to approve any deal that doesn't sustain it moving forward. The Players Union doesn't have enough clout to effectively negotiate an uncapped league. Dallas and Washington are among the team leaders in revenue however keep in mind that once the Giants new stadium is built they'll almost certainly be in the top 10. The current stadium isn't nearly as profitable across the board in luxury suite and concessions revenues. A new building will solve a lot of those woes. So worrying about a future landscape where the Giants are considered somewhat "small market" compared to their rivals isn't very accurate. Although I'll agree that we'll still never be a team that spends money the way Jerry Jones or Daniel Snyder would. Lastly, while it may seem that teams like Washington will go crazy in an uncapped market in the short term it may hurt them. Fat Lenny had a good article about this recently in which one AFC Cap Manager said he ran all the figures on the Skins for the comng season and if a CBA is NOT approved they'll be unable to meet the salary cap. In that scenario the team would get gutted worse than a fish, and even cutting the players wouldn't provide as much cap relief as one might think as in most cases their cap hit would accelerate to this season. Regardless, if the CBA isn't approved prior to this season the Redskins are screwed. Whereas if it is approved then the Skins have room to move as they can restructure contracts to allow for '07 and beyon cap charges. the stadium will not be ready for another 4-5 years at the very minimun at this rate... look at the link I provided 2-3 posts up...it explains which teams have what amount of revenue... and the PA does not have to much power in the NFL...but if they dont come up with a deal then there will be no cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lockhart Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Here's 3 things that should likely put your fears to rest. First, the NFL owners have long had much more negotiating power than the players Union. The NFLPA is a joke. If the owners were able to negotiate a cap into place once, they damn sure aren't going to approve any deal that doesn't sustain it moving forward. The Players Union doesn't have enough clout to effectively negotiate an uncapped league. Dallas and Washington are among the team leaders in revenue however keep in mind that once the Giants new stadium is built they'll almost certainly be in the top 10. The current stadium isn't nearly as profitable across the board in luxury suite and concessions revenues. A new building will solve a lot of those woes. So worrying about a future landscape where the Giants are considered somewhat "small market" compared to their rivals isn't very accurate. Although I'll agree that we'll still never be a team that spends money the way Jerry Jones or Daniel Snyder would. Lastly, while it may seem that teams like Washington will go crazy in an uncapped market in the short term it may hurt them. Fat Lenny had a good article about this recently in which one AFC Cap Manager said he ran all the figures on the Skins for the comng season and if a CBA is NOT approved they'll be unable to meet the salary cap. In that scenario the team would get gutted worse than a fish, and even cutting the players wouldn't provide as much cap relief as one might think as in most cases their cap hit would accelerate to this season. Regardless, if the CBA isn't approved prior to this season the Redskins are screwed. Whereas if it is approved then the Skins have room to move as they can restructure contracts to allow for '07 and beyon cap charges. Under a no cap NFL Snyder would outpend everyone - he would be Steinbreener, as would Jerry Jones. The Giants would always be one of the lesser teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uconngiants Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 dont forget you always hear how owners do not make an insane amount of money it is money they have from previous jobs (Washington, Dallas, Seattle, etc.) would just be killers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 dont forget you always hear how owners do not make an insane amount of money it is money they have from previous jobs (Washington, Dallas, Seattle, etc.) would just be killers which is why James Dolan should buy the Giants if it goes uncapped, but he would probually hire Terrell Owens as the GM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUND Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 dont forget you always hear how owners do not make an insane amount of money it is money they have from previous jobs (Washington, Dallas, Seattle, etc.) would just be killers Don't drink the Kool-Aid ... owners make PLENTY of money. The big difference in profits lies between owners who OWN, not lease, their stadiums. Regardless, none of these guys are going broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uconngiants Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 which is why James Dolan should buy the Giants if it goes uncapped, but he would probually hire Terrell Owens as the GM... Who the hell is James Dolan and what does he know about football also i would hate to see the maras leave althouh wellinton already did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uconngiants Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 o alright i know who he is now and since he is MSG im sure he knows football not a bad pick pretty young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUND Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 the stadium will not be ready for another 4-5 years at the very minimun at this rate... look at the link I provided 2-3 posts up...it explains which teams have what amount of revenue... and the PA does not have to much power in the NFL...but if they dont come up with a deal then there will be no cap I already read the article. I'm not contesting anything it says. But the fate of the Giants future, especially in regards to revenues, does not hang in the balance over the course of the next 4-5 years. The new stadium deal will significantly improve their revenues. Whether that translates to increased spending by the club is a whole different argument, but you don't have to worry about the Giants as a small fish in the pond. And while yes, both sides need to agree on the deal, the fact of the matter is that the owners hold all the cards. There will be a new deal at some point and it will include a cap. It may not be approved in the next few months, and as I already mentioned, especially in regard to the Redskins, that may not be that bad a thing for us. If you want to sweat over this stuff feel free but I'm not losing any sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 Who the hell is James Dolan and what does he know about football also i would hate to see the maras leave althouh wellinton already did I was kidding... but James Dolan is probually one of the more wealthier owners in sports, and buy far the richest in the NBA...but he runs a horrible franchise, but it was GM's fault...he owns Cablevision and MSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUND Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Under a no cap NFL Snyder would outpend everyone - he would be Steinbreener, as would Jerry Jones. The Giants would always be one of the lesser teams. I'm not necessarily arguing that point. But, as I mentioned, if there's no deal prior to this season the Redskins are going to get bad in a hurry. The chances of an uncapped NFL structure are about as good as the chances of Major League Baseball adopting one. I wouldn't worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gateb Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Here's 3 things that should likely put your fears to rest. First, the NFL owners have long had much more negotiating power than the players Union. The NFLPA is a joke. If the owners were able to negotiate a cap into place once, they damn sure aren't going to approve any deal that doesn't sustain it moving forward. The Players Union doesn't have enough clout to effectively negotiate an uncapped league. Dallas and Washington are among the team leaders in revenue however keep in mind that once the Giants new stadium is built they'll almost certainly be in the top 10. The current stadium isn't nearly as profitable across the board in luxury suite and concessions revenues. A new building will solve a lot of those woes. So worrying about a future landscape where the Giants are considered somewhat "small market" compared to their rivals isn't very accurate. Although I'll agree that we'll still never be a team that spends money the way Jerry Jones or Daniel Snyder would. Lastly, while it may seem that teams like Washington will go crazy in an uncapped market in the short term it may hurt them. Fat Lenny had a good article about this recently in which one AFC Cap Manager said he ran all the figures on the Skins for the comng season and if a CBA is NOT approved they'll be unable to meet the salary cap. In that scenario the team would get gutted worse than a fish, and even cutting the players wouldn't provide as much cap relief as one might think as in most cases their cap hit would accelerate to this season. Regardless, if the CBA isn't approved prior to this season the Redskins are screwed. Whereas if it is approved then the Skins have room to move as they can restructure contracts to allow for '07 and beyon cap charges. The first one got me feeling a little bit better but the second one isn't really relevant. We are going to be building the stadium during the uncapped time and if anything, we'll lose revenue paying for another stadium. Unebelievable, Upsaw's a bitch. They can't do this to the NFL, it's too good of a sport for this shit. If this does turn into an uncapped league, he'll go down as one of the worst figures of all time at least in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 The first one got me feeling a little bit better but the second one isn't really relevant. We are going to be building the stadium during the uncapped time and if anything, we'll lose revenue paying for another stadium. Unebelievable, Upsaw's a bitch. They can't do this to the NFL, it's too good of a sport for this shit. If this does turn into an uncapped league, he'll go down as one of the worst figures of all time at least in my book. that is exactly why I am so worried, we have a core in Eli, Shockey, Osi, Pierce, Snee, and hopefully Wilson and Webster...we are climbing, and this would ruin it for us and basically half the leauge...but it would affect the Giants and Jets the most since neither franchise is real wealthy and a new stadium is going to be built... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gateb Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 It's a weird world where New York teams will be affected the worst instead of the best by no cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 You guys do realize that the Giants were one of the 9 teams that DO NOT WANT to have increased shared revenue. The Jets, Giants, Eagles, Skins, Boys, Pats, Broncos, Texans and Panthers were the holdovers. Something tells me if the Giants are amongst those teams that want to keep revenue the way it is shared there is a surplus of cash that would help us compete greatly. As far as the idea the Mara's(comical because the Tischs own 50% too )would not have enough coin to compete, keep in mind that the Mara family bought this franchise for 500 bucks and owns 1/2 that is estimated at close to 800 million bucks now. Something tells me that the Maras would have no problem getting funds with that type of equity. Keep in mind the future stadium deals. Just a side note, you folks do realize how filthy stinking rich the Tisch family is right? Put it this way, they DONATE more money to charitable and non profit organizations on a yearly basis than most of us will EVER see in a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted February 25, 2006 Author Share Posted February 25, 2006 It's a weird world where New York teams will be affected the worst instead of the best by no cap. ya its all cause of the that crappy stadium... if it goes uncapped, then we should sell the naming rights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigDfan21 Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 If i were a rich man a hiddle widdle widdle hiddle widdle widdle widdle woo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaginCaucasian Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 Who the hell is James Dolan and what does he know about football also i would hate to see the maras leave althouh wellinton already did James Dolan has run two of the best franchises in sports into the ground since he took ownership of the Garden & the two teams that play there. The only thing that kept him from being strung up by a lynch mob in front of the Garden is the fact that Glen Sather & Tom Renney got their act together & told Dolan they would only continue in their positions if he took a more "hands off" approach & let them run the Rangers their way (Dolan's way would have been throwing rediculous amounts of money at the problem.... like the Knicks debacle). AND HE DOESN'T KNOW DICK ABOUT FOOTBALL OR SPORTS, LET ALONE BUSINESS. You guys do realize that the Giants were one of the 9 teams that DO NOT WANT to have increased shared revenue. The Jets, Giants, Eagles, Skins, Boys, Pats, Broncos, Texans and Panthers were the holdovers. Something tells me if the Giants are amongst those teams that want to keep revenue the way it is shared there is a surplus of cash that would help us compete greatly. As far as the idea the Mara's(comical because the Tischs own 50% too )would not have enough coin to compete, keep in mind that the Mara family bought this franchise for 500 bucks and owns 1/2 that is estimated at close to 800 million bucks now. Something tells me that the Maras would have no problem getting funds with that type of equity. Keep in mind the future stadium deals. Just a side note, you folks do realize how filthy stinking rich the Tisch family is right? Put it this way, they DONATE more money to charitable and non profit organizations on a yearly basis than most of us will EVER see in a year. Just look at how much money the Tisch School of the Arts at NYU pulls in per year, BTW that's where Kate Mara attends school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uconngiants Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 ok well i am def felling better about this i just hope that they keep the cap i would hate to see the cap leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gateb Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 ok well i am def felling better about this i just hope that they keep the cap i would hate to see the cap leave Same for me. I guess it wouldn't be the end of the world but it's basically a major thing we have over other sports, like baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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