Mr. P Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 PHOENIX The adjustment, Doug Marrone said, is more physical than anything else. Though they never worked together before joining up for this venture running] the Jacksonville Jaguars, Marrone has a long and treasured history with Tom Coughlin. Still, Marrone was not quite ready for the pace his new boss maintains. He walks fast, Marrone, the Jaguars coach, said this week at the NFL owners meetings. I just open up my stride now. Coughlin always has been a fast-walker, but nowadays in his new, non-coaching role as the Jaguars executive vice president of football operations he seems to have turned it up a notch. At the scouting combine in Indianapolis, Coughlin was speeding by with so much acceleration he nearly pulled a reporters shoulder out of its socket, barely slowing down as he reached back for a grab-and-go handshake. It is as if Coughlin is in such a hurry to fix the Jaguars, a team in need of repair after losing 63 of 80 games the past five years. The Giants, following the 2015 season, decided to part ways with Coughlin after a 12-year run as head coach which included two Super Bowl triumphs. Coughlin spent a year decompressing as a senior advisor working for the NFL. He needed to get back with a team, as close to the field as possible, and the Jaguars provided the perfect landing spot, considering the great success Coughlin brought to the Jacksonville expansion franchise as its first head coach. Marrone is 52; Coughlin is 70. It is not easy for the younger man to move with the alacrity and urgency of the older man. Coughlin and Marrone during their Jaguars introductory press conference in January.AP I just look at it he comes in every day and works extremely hard, Im just trying to keep up, Marrone said. Its amazing. People ask me, I go, Gosh, obviously Im younger, but shoot, I got to keep up with Coach. Were going 100 miles an hour. I see someone I have a great amount of respect for, I spent a ton of time with now, and the great thing about Coach that I love is he knows what he wants, he knows how it should look and theres no agenda. All he wants to do is win, and thats all I want to do. This could be a difficult situation if not for their shared previous relationship. Marrone was an assistant at Navy in 1993 when he asked Coughlin, the Boston College head coach, for a job. Marrone didnt get it, but they stayed in touch. Marrone eventually became the head coach at Syracuse Coughlins alma mater and that furthered the friendship. Marrone said even when he became head coach of the Bills, he sought out Coughlin as a sounding board. Our knowledge of each other is extensive, Coughlin said the day he and Marrone were hired in Jacksonville. Marrone still is learning and following in Coughlins fast footsteps. After a team dinner Monday night, Marrone and Coughlin returned to the Biltmore Hotel, where an NFL party outdoors on a grass courtyard was in progress. Given the layout of the property, the only way back to their rooms, Marrone figured, was directly through the festivities. Um, no. Coach gives me one of these, hes like, Hey, lets go, we go this way, Marrone said. Im with my wife and Im like, Where the hell is he taking us? So he takes us around the back, and all of a sudden we avoid everything and we get right to our room. Hes like, Yeah, you avoid all that stuff, no one gets to chat with you. I was like, That was kind of awesome, wasnt it? Coach took us through some back way, through some hallway, it was awesome. In some ways, Coughlins presence takes the focus off Marrone, who replaces Gus Bradley taking over a Jaguars team coming off a hugely disappointing 3-13 season, considering the improvements that were supposed to translate into a competitive roster. Whats great about when youre with Coach, when youre walking with Coach, nobody wants to talk to Doug Marrone, you know what Im saying? Marrone said. So its awesome. I can walk through and everyone grabs Coach and Ill just keep walking. As you may have noticed, yes, Marrone does not refer to Coughlin as Tom. Not ever. I could not do that, Marrone said. Im sure Coach doesnt mind. I dont think he worries about what people call him. http://nypost.com/2017/03/29/tom-coughlin-hasnt-changed-a-bit-which-is-perfect-for-jaguars/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 Forever, the fuckin man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I miss him. Wish he could have stayed. Give him 15's offense and 16's defense combined and we get another ring. No question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman329 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Jags are my second team as long as he's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 If their defense isn't top ten their coordinator needs to be banned for life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I miss him. Wish he could have stayed. Give him 15's offense and 16's defense combined and we get another ring. No question. So basically don't fire Coughlin and get the talent the roster lacked. Oh it can't be that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Part of being good at what you do is surrounding yourself with people who are pretty good at what they do.... Forgive me for spoiling your love fest but Coughlin is and has been a middle of the pack HC... it's he who kept Sheridan and Fewel on the staff when neither one shouldn't have been in the NFL to begin with... his record with the Giants is ok.. not great... Yes I get the 2 SBs... we caught lightening at the right time... and we had a great defense in 2007... Wow the old man walks fast.. yea this has nothing to do with age... some of us are wired that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Part of being good at what you do is surrounding yourself with people who are pretty good at what they do.... Forgive me for spoiling your love fest but Coughlin is and has been a middle of the pack HC... it's he who kept Sheridan and Fewel on the staff when neither one shouldn't have been in the NFL to begin with... his record with the Giants is ok.. not great... Yes I get the 2 SBs... we caught lightening at the right time... and we had a great defense in 2007... Wow the old man walks fast.. yea this has nothing to do with age... some of us are wired that way. Middle of the pack HC's are future HoFers? And if it was so easy to "surround yourself with people who are pretty good" most coaches wouldnt have a two year life span in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 My favorite coach of all-time, any sport any level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 He was great/ it was time. 2 things can be equally true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman329 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 This is not a knock on McAdoo - I think he was solid for a rookie HC. But give TC this year's D and I believe we'd have had a better chance to go further. I absolutely believe he would have found a way to get more offense going and I never saw a coach get more out of a team when they were underdogs in a big spot than Coughlin. He's going to the HOF for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Middle of the pack HC's are future HoFers? And if it was so easy to "surround yourself with people who are pretty good" most coaches wouldnt have a two year life span in the NFL. What was his winning % with the Giants? How on earth do you hire/promote Sheridan and only fire the fuck when pressured by the FO? Then turn around and do the same whit with Fewel? Personal loyalty was more important to him than merit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 2 Super Bowls is his winning percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Love him, I'm rooting for him and the Jags... but honestly, I'm not holding my breath. That franchise is pretty bad from top to bottom, Marrone has no real successes to speak of and does nothing for me, and Coughlin is notorious for holding on to players and coaches for too long. It's just a matter of time before Jerry Palmieri and Mathias Kiwanuka end up down there and a third of the roster is on IR in October. Again, hope I'm wrong. Would love to catch a game or two while I'm visiting relatives in Fernandina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 You forgot how Tom Coughlin injured all his players intentionally and shortened their careers Oh and I almost forgot my other favorite board theory: Eli Manning won super bowls because of the defense, Perry Fewell was the defensive coordinator for one of those but he is bad? This is all history and cannot be changed yet somehow seen differently. Tom Coughlin was damn good head coach in the NFL and for this organization and nobody can diminish that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 2 Super Bowls is his winning percentage. 2 of 12? Of course no one is expecting a SB every year.. and yea those 2 SB were great.. on the flip side there were quite a few pitfalls to go with it...take the good with the bad. I just can't get the Sheridan and Fewel debacles out of my mind and pretend they didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 You forgot how Tom Coughlin injured all his players intentionally and shortened their careers Oh and I almost forgot my other favorite board theory: Eli Manning won super bowls because of the defense, Perry Fewell was the defensive coordinator for one of those but he is bad? This is all history and cannot be changed yet somehow seen differently. Tom Coughlin was damn good head coach in the NFL and for this organization and nobody can diminish that. Yes Perry Fewel was bad... very bad. And I didn't say TC wasn't a good coach... Just not the greatest since sliced bread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 He was great/ it was time. 2 things can be equally true This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 You forgot how Tom Coughlin injured all his players intentionally and shortened their careers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Not disagreeing with good but "great" is a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman329 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 The single most desirable attribute a coach can have - and also the rarest - is the ability to make his team better than the sum of their parts......the ability to mask or least minimize and ultimately overcome talent deficiencies and be competitive against what should be superior teams. It involves not only X's & O's but making the players believe in themselves and their team and buying in 100%. It is a rare gift and Tom Coughlin had it. His final season, people look at all those games he lost at the gun. What escaped most is that the Giants were fielding a barely NFL quality team and just making them competitive was a hell of an accomplishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA4M Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Happy for the guy, now when the Giants aren't on here in Florida.....I can watch him stomping mad on the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Look if he was coaching, I'd have no issue with him being there. Gus Bradley has set them back 2-3 years. But he's not coaching and I think him being involved in personnel decisions is not helping them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I don't think he's a bad talent evaluator... I don't know, but I'm guessing his track record (gm in Jacksonville?) was pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I don't think he's a bad talent evaluator... I don't know, but I'm guessing his track record (gm in Jacksonville?) was pretty good. He values personal loyalty (kiss ups) over real talent and work ethic... You don't keep shitheads like Sheridan on your staff for so long unless you have issues... judgement issues. Now supposedly humans on the whole are supposed to be wiser as they age.. and learn from prior mistakes... the guy wasn't exactly in his 30s... Good luck to him... but I'm not going to sit here and say he's the greatest coach... granted not too many coaches out there have 2 trophies... It's just weird thinking we could have had probably 4 trophies instead of just 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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