Nas Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Saw in the NY Post today a chart comparing Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen. Mayfield is clearly the best.... 70.5% completion, 4,600 yards... 43 TDs to only 6 INTs.... Rosen and Donald both have 63% completion %, 3800 and 4100 yards respectively, each had 26 TDs, and 10 & 13 INTs respectively..... I dont care Mayfield is 6 1.... hes far better and the stats prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 He plays is a system that allows much better stats. Rosen is the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Can't look at stats alone. In fact, they can be very misleading. Check out some game film via youtube on them (not highlights, but play by play game film). Right now, I lean towards Rosen due to better decision making, poise in pocket, and what I see as slightly better passing form (lots of overthrows or passes floated by Darnold). Though, my caution on Rosen is, the past two years he's been somewhat injury prone. People say he has some character/personality concerns as well. Darnold may turn out fine, but as of right now, I think Rosen is better. That could change as the draft/offseason combine and workout process proceeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Do you think we are over rating these guys and this is not a generational draft? I am not saying here, but in general. It kind of scares me with the 4 big names that are coming out of college. I don't see this as even close to the Manning, Rivers, and Rothlesburger draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 On Mayfield, I think if he were 6'4 or taller, he would be considered by front offices to be a top 10 pick, which to me (given his mobility) means he's a top 10 worthy pick. 6'1 QBs can make it in this league, especially ones that are mobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Saw in the NY Post today a chart comparing Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen. Mayfield is clearly the best.... 70.5% completion, 4,600 yards... 43 TDs to only 6 INTs.... Rosen and Donald both have 63% completion %, 3800 and 4100 yards respectively, each had 26 TDs, and 10 & 13 INTs respectively..... I dont care Mayfield is 6 1.... hes far better and the stats prove it. You should run the draft for Cleveland. Did you ever see Ron Dayne's college stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 After watching the game I didnt feel any better about mayfield than I already did but I do know I want Roquan smith on the giants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Saw in the NY Post today a chart comparing Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen. Mayfield is clearly the best.... 70.5% completion, 4,600 yards... 43 TDs to only 6 INTs.... Rosen and Donald both have 63% completion %, 3800 and 4100 yards respectively, each had 26 TDs, and 10 & 13 INTs respectively..... I dont care Mayfield is 6 1.... hes far better and the stats prove it. Oh gosh... Nas, have you seen OK play? The next pass Mayfield throws into a window will be his first. I haven't seen a single NFL level throw out of him, ever. I don't get the Brees comp, I remember watching Brees at Purdue, he could land the ball on a dime. Never any doubt about his passing ability. If you want to compare anybody in this draft to Brees, its Rosen, not Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I will say - after the Louisville/Miss State bowl game, I definitely hope we DO NOT draft Lamar Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I can't get excited about this lot to be honest . i don't really want any of them to be our franchise QB for the next decade None of these 4 have a chance in Hell behind a terrible O line. Forget drafting a QB , keep Eli for 2 more years at least ......trade down for multiple picks and fix the bloody trenches first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Mayfield doesn't have to make reads on the field. I like Allen , a guy who was noticed playing with shit talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I can't get excited about this lot to be honest . i don't really want any of them to be our franchise QB for the next decade None of these 4 have a chance in Hell behind a terrible O line. Forget drafting a QB , keep Eli for 2 more years at least ......trade down for multiple picks and fix the bloody trenches first. That's true, but I also don't envision the rookie QB starting this year (or if he does, it will be because we suck so bad that we're not making the playoffs anyway) because Eli should still be around. Either way, OL is definitely an offseason priority, but there are currently no #2 worthy OL that I've seen (I'd be willing to trade down though), and Darnold or Rosen may be too good to pass on. Practically speaking, I lean towards drafting Rosen because I think the giants are more than just a few FA/Draft moves away from making the playoffs, and the playoffs next year, given the state of our O-Line especially, are unlikely in my view. Draft the potential QB of the future, then this offseason and next build around him. We need to sign/draft 3-4 starting capable OL anyway, this year and/or next. We really only have one okay starter on this roster (Brett Jones) and currently 4 open OL positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldEagleFan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I can't get excited about this lot to be honest . i don't really want any of them to be our franchise QB for the next decade None of these 4 have a chance in Hell behind a terrible O line. Forget drafting a QB , keep Eli for 2 more years at least ......trade down for multiple picks and fix the bloody trenches first. They should go for Barclay in the 1st then get OL in 2&3 if they have those picks. You can live with Eli for another year or two. You could supplement by trading Beckham for another contract controllable WR and a high draft pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstempest Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Someone here said not to trust a PSU back. I only hope he doesn't get picked by anyone in the NFC East besides the Eagles. The man is a force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Do you think we are over rating these guys and this is not a generational draft? I am not saying here, but in general. It kind of scares me with the 4 big names that are coming out of college. I don't see this as even close to the Manning, Rivers, and Rothlesburger draft. These players are absolutely overrated, so was the last class and the next class. We'll have more information on these guys after the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Do you think we are over rating these guys and this is not a generational draft? I am not saying here, but in general. It kind of scares me with the 4 big names that are coming out of college. I don't see this as even close to the Manning, Rivers, and Rothlesburger draft. That's the problem with every draft. The NFL is a QB driven league period, there is no team that is successful consistently that has a average QB at the helm. However there are only a handful of franchise caliber QBs in the NFL at any given time, usually only around 10 or 12. The rest of the NFL has to pick through scraps of FA or take a flyer on a kid in the draft and hope they become one of those guys. I mean if any of these QBs were able to repeat the success in college at the pro level then all 32 teams in the league would be set, but very rarely does a draft even produce a single franchise QB, mostly just serviceable players who hold the position for a few years until the team looks elsewhere. To be perfectly honest, none of these prospects hold a candle to the '04 draft, but it's a risk the Giants will have to take if they want to replace Eli someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I have a feeling that if we don't take one of these two QB's, we'll end up regretting it. Right now, I don't see anyone else worth taking at the #2 spot (whether it's RB, OL or elsewhere). I'm open to trading down though, particularly since we have so many gaping holes on the OL, and to a slightly lesser extent at LB and CB. Either way, trading down or not, QB or not, I still say we need to fill 4 starting OL spots this offseason, and I don't think we can automatically assume round 3 or later draft picks are starters this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Someone here said not to trust a PSU back. I only hope he doesn't get picked by anyone in the NFC East besides the Eagles. The man is a force. Ki Jing Carter was a force , a lot of the PSU RBs where forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 They should go for Barclay in the 1st If we could trade down to #5 or #6 and still get Saquon Barkley and a few extra picks i would do it in a flash. ( to be honest Mayfield will probably be there anyway for insurance at #5 or #6 so it is probably not that much of a risk ) i just don't really love either Rosen or Darnold at #2 Big Dave G will probably come to an agreement with Eli to restructure his contract for a couple of years ( since Eli seems to want to stay in New York and will be flexible i reckon ) . How else are we going to start to fix the O line without picks ( we cant do it all in FA ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 If we could trade down to #5 or #6 and still get Saquon Barkley and a few extra picks i would do it in a flash. ( to be honest Mayfield will probably be there anyway for insurance at #5 or #6 so it is probably not that much of a risk ) i just don't really love either Rosen or Darnold at #2 Big Dave G will probably come to an agreement with Eli to restructure his contract for a couple of years ( since Eli seems to want to stay in New York and will be flexible i reckon ) . How else are we going to start to fix the O line without picks ( we cant do it all in FA ) I'd prefer we trade down and pick an OL, considering the four holes we have at that position, and as you said, likely not all can be filled via FA alone (at least, not all in one year). I'm very weary about selecting RBs very high, without the requisite offense line. Guys like Gurley, Elliot, Kamara etc all play behind very capable offensive lines, and Kamara is more of a pass catching back than all round RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Also consider the strong possibility that either the Colts, Browns (with their #4), Broncos, Bucs, could all potentially draft Barkley....so we very well may not be able to trade down and still get him, if we want him. Best case scenario is one of those teams trades with us and we draft Orlando Brown, OT, and pick up a boatload of other picks, including a 2nd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I get the feeling this draft may be more Bledsoe/Mirer than Goff/Wentz, but it's just a feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Look at gurley last year before the o-line was fixed compared to this season. Rbs also dont last long very long and a top 15 pick better be playing all 3 downs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Im also a little shaky on the qbs. After watching more YouTube I can see why everyone is gaga over Darnold but he seems like a bit of a project. I hate the rumors about Rosens love for the game. Even mayfield looks like hes being protected in Oklahoma. Nobody blows me away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Im also a little shaky on the qbs. After watching more YouTube I can see why everyone is gaga over Darnold but he seems like a bit of a project. I hate the rumors about Rosens love for the game. Even mayfield looks like hes being protected in Oklahoma. Nobody blows me away Agreed. Trade down for an OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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