Guest Floyd The Barber Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 2-time Pro Bowler: 1986, 1987 Year TM | G | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+-------------------------+ | 1985 nyg | 16 | 37 511 13.8 4 | | 1986 nyg | 16 | 66 1001 15.2 4 | | 1987 nyg | 12 | 55 867 15.8 8 | | 1988 nyg | 16 | 53 672 12.7 4 | | 1989 nyg | 7 | 22 278 12.6 3 | | 1990 nyg | 15 | 33 393 11.9 5 | 3-time Pro Bowler: 2002, 2003, 2005 Year TM | G | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+-------------------------+ | 2002 nyg | 15 | 74 894 12.1 2 | | 2003 nyg | 9 | 48 535 11.1 2 | | 2004 nyg | 15 | 61 666 10.9 6 | | 2005 nyg | 15 | 65 891 13.7 7 | during his career as a NYG not one player went about his business like a warrior more than TE Mark Bavaro...he played non-flashy, gritty, tough as nails throw back football...the way the game was intended to be played... he was the complete package, a great blocker, run and pass, and exceptional reciever with speed...he was nicknamed Rambo, and his signature was carrying multiple would be tacklers for yards upon yards after contact...i can remember clear as yesterday receptions like the one vs. Washington and the one vs. San Fran. when he carried about 5 guys for additional yardage...he punished tacklers, got up and went back to the huddle...he had done it before time and time again...he was no cheerleader, which made him all the more fearful...you never knew what he felt...he played with injuries and did not complain...he was a rock Mark Bavaro gets my nod in a heartbeat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 2-time Pro Bowler: 1986, 1987 Year TM | G | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+-------------------------+ | 1985 nyg | 16 | 37 511 13.8 4 | | 1986 nyg | 16 | 66 1001 15.2 4 | | 1987 nyg | 12 | 55 867 15.8 8 | | 1988 nyg | 16 | 53 672 12.7 4 | | 1989 nyg | 7 | 22 278 12.6 3 | | 1990 nyg | 15 | 33 393 11.9 5 | 3-time Pro Bowler: 2002, 2003, 2005 Year TM | G | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+-------------------------+ | 2002 nyg | 15 | 74 894 12.1 2 | | 2003 nyg | 9 | 48 535 11.1 2 | | 2004 nyg | 15 | 61 666 10.9 6 | | 2005 nyg | 15 | 65 891 13.7 7 | during his career as a NYG not one player went about his business like a warrior more than TE Mark Bavaro...he played non-flashy, gritty, tough as nails throw back football...the way the game was intended to be played... he was the complete package, a great blocker, run and pass, and exceptional reciever with speed...he was nicknamed Rambo, and his signature was carrying multiple would be tacklers for yards upon yards after contact...i can remember clear as yesterday receptions like the one vs. Washington and the one vs. San Fran. when he carried about 5 guys for additional yardage...he punished tacklers, got up and went back to the huddle...he had done it before time and time again...he was no cheerleader, which made him all the more fearful...you never knew what he felt...he played with injuries and did not complain...he was a rock Mark Bavaro gets my nod in a heartbeat... ditto ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmiwinks Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 2-time Pro Bowler: 1986, 1987 Year TM | G | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+-------------------------+ | 1985 nyg | 16 | 37 511 13.8 4 | | 1986 nyg | 16 | 66 1001 15.2 4 | | 1987 nyg | 12 | 55 867 15.8 8 | | 1988 nyg | 16 | 53 672 12.7 4 | | 1989 nyg | 7 | 22 278 12.6 3 | | 1990 nyg | 15 | 33 393 11.9 5 | 3-time Pro Bowler: 2002, 2003, 2005 Year TM | G | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+-------------------------+ | 2002 nyg | 15 | 74 894 12.1 2 | | 2003 nyg | 9 | 48 535 11.1 2 | | 2004 nyg | 15 | 61 666 10.9 6 | | 2005 nyg | 15 | 65 891 13.7 7 | during his career as a NYG not one player went about his business like a warrior more than TE Mark Bavaro...he played non-flashy, gritty, tough as nails throw back football...the way the game was intended to be played... he was the complete package, a great blocker, run and pass, and exceptional reciever with speed...he was nicknamed Rambo, and his signature was carrying multiple would be tacklers for yards upon yards after contact...i can remember clear as yesterday receptions like the one vs. Washington and the one vs. San Fran. when he carried about 5 guys for additional yardage...he punished tacklers, got up and went back to the huddle...he had done it before time and time again...he was no cheerleader, which made him all the more fearful...you never knew what he felt...he played with injuries and did not complain...he was a rock Mark Bavaro gets my nod in a heartbeat... Should that surprise anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420 Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Based on the title of this thread and its author I was sure it had to do with something else....In fact I would have bet money on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firstnten Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nutty Sack Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Mark Bavaro ..............no comparison. He was a football player, not an American Idol wanta be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lockhart Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Bavaro would tougher than Shockey, blocked better than Shockey, was a better receiver than Shockey, was a much better teammate than Shockey, and finally he would have been with his teammates working out and developing chemistry with his QB - not partying in Miami ignoring his coaches and team like Shockey. Bavaro was John Wayne - Shockey is Dennis Rodman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gspotter Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Ando now for something completely similar to the last thing he posted...(drum roll, please!) Here are some questiosn for you: 1. How is the TE position different in this era from thos past? 2. What's different about the TE role in our offense than those of Parcells? 3. In the only year Shockey didn't make the PB, was his role more or less like it was the years before and since? 4. Why is it that you write about things that you don't understand? Isn't there a plague that befalls people (like you) with such a committment to being an annoyance to good people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmiwinks Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Bavaro would tougher than Shockey, blocked better than Shockey, was a better receiver than Shockey, was a much better teammate than Shockey, and finally he would have been with his teammates working out and developing chemistry with his QB - not partying in Miami ignoring his coaches and team like Shockey. Bavaro was John Wayne - Shockey is Dennis Rodman. Ok I'll take that, Dennis Rodman was one of the best defenders to play the game John Wayne was just some actor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firstnten Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Ando now for something completely similar to the last thing he posted...(drum roll, please!) Here are some questiosn for you: 1. How is the TE position different in this era from thos past? 2. What's different about the TE role in our offense than those of Parcells? 3. In the only year Shockey didn't make the PB, was his role more or less like it was the years before and since? 4. Why is it that you write about things that you don't understand? Isn't there a plague that befalls people (like you) with such a committment to being an annoyance to good people? maybe it's gay pride month... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUND Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 At this point I'd still vote for Bavaro as the better tight end too. However Shockey, barring injury, has a lot of football left. I'd also say there's plenty of room to be a real good tight end in the NFL without being better than Mark Bavaro. Nothing to be ashamed about here. If Shockey's being compared to Bavaro it's only because he's shown he can be a similar type of impact player. Like I said, nothing wrong with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmiwinks Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Ando now for something completely similar to the last thing he posted...(drum roll, please!) Here are some questiosn for you: 1. How is the TE position different in this era from thos past? 2. What's different about the TE role in our offense than those of Parcells? 3. In the only year Shockey didn't make the PB, was his role more or less like it was the years before and since? 4. Why is it that you write about things that you don't understand? Isn't there a plague that befalls people (like you) with such a committment to being an annoyance to good people? :worshippy: I guess they cant ansewer those questions Im really not that shocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Floyd The Barber Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 i dont really care what sort of "roll" the TE plays in modern football vs. 15 years ago...some things never change, like charector, pride and heart... these are intangiables that Bavaro had and only Shockey could dream of having... the roll of the TE in todays scheme is really an over hyped one...if you have a dominant RB and at least one dominant WR, your TE should serve the purpose of blocker first, reciever 2nd... TE's seem to come out of every draft now-adays following the Shockey mold...id be the first person to package him up and ship him out draft day if it meant being able to draft what could be a great LB in A.J. Hawk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmiwinks Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 i dont really care what sort of "roll" the TE plays in modern football vs. 15 years ago...some things never change, like charector, pride and heart... these are intangiables that Bavaro had and only Shockey could dream of having... the roll of the TE in todays scheme is really an over hyped one...if you have a dominant RB and at least one dominant WR, your TE should serve the purpose of blocker first, reciever 2nd... TE's seem to come out of every draft now-adays following the Shockey mold...id be the first person to package him up and ship him out draft day if it meant being able to draft what could be a great LB in A.J. Hawk... Dont you guys always say you cant judge a player by there stats Why did you list there stats up top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Floyd The Barber Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Dont you guys always say you cant judge a player by there stats Why did you list there stats up top for pinheads like you who are hooked on them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmiwinks Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 for pinheads like you who are hooked on them... Oh ok so your contradicting your self again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Floyd The Barber Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 i couldnt even imagine images of Bavaro in Page Six... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gspotter Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 i dont really care what sort of "roll" the TE plays in modern football vs. 15 years ago Yeay, Floyd contradicts himself, he's not a very cogent debator. I will say this, he is consistant in his dedication to being wrong. Look at his quote above, this is a clear misunderstanding of the way football changes. Next thing you know he will be writing, "why don't we hand off to the FB more often?" This is just a dumb post that has literally no purpose. It's like arguing who's better Joe Montan or Tom Brady...stupid argument, how would you ever acount for free agency. can't one of Floy's sign-in's be smart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lockhart Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Ando now for something completely similar to the last thing he posted...(drum roll, please!) Here are some questiosn for you: 1. How is the TE position different in this era from thos past? 2. What's different about the TE role in our offense than those of Parcells? 3. In the only year Shockey didn't make the PB, was his role more or less like it was the years before and since? 4. Why is it that you write about things that you don't understand? Isn't there a plague that befalls people (like you) with such a committment to being an annoyance to good people? 1. Today the TE position is manned by a lazy Metro-sexual, with Bavaro they had a real football player. 2. In Parcell's day the TE both blocked and received passes - Bavaro did both well and never dropped balls - today the postion is manned by a whiner, who drops passes and throws hissy fits on the field, on the few occasions he isn't injured. 3. When Bavaro made the pro bowl he earned it and showed up in Hawaii to play - Now the voting includes fans and is more of a popularity contest - Shockey blows off pro bowls to party in Miami. 4. I am of the FAB 4 - there is nothing that we DON'T understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambrosio Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 you can't really compare the two. shockey gave us a whole other aspect of our offense. bavaro was there in a smashmouth style that parcells implemented. look at what our offense does without shockey... not much. bavaro wasn't flashy, no, but he wasn't asked to be. shockey is. we've asked shockey to do different things than bavaro was in his days. also remember that tight ends back then weren't what they are today. now they're big and fast with good hands, back then their roles as a receiver were much more limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Bavaro was a great Giant who we will never ever forget Shockey is a very good Giant who will probably turn out to be great and we will remember forever I am proud to be a Giants fan who will have great memories of them both Sadly, Lockhart & Co have nothing but hatred for Shockey , Eli , Joseph , Carter , Feely , EA etc.. etc...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lockhart Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 you can't really compare the two. shockey gave us a whole other aspect of our offense. bavaro was there in a smashmouth style that parcells implemented. look at what our offense does without shockey... not much. bavaro wasn't flashy, no, but he wasn't asked to be. shockey is. we've asked shockey to do different things than bavaro was in his days. also remember that tight ends back then weren't what they are today. now they're big and fast with good hands, back then their roles as a receiver were much more limited. The offense did a lot without Shockey, Plaxico and Eli for almost half the season - Tiki was the Giant offense for most of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 sorry Lockhart ..... i forgot that you hated Plaxico too ( well done ) i'll add it to my list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambrosio Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 The offense did a lot without Shockey, Plaxico and Eli for almost half the season - Tiki was the Giant offense for most of the year. yes, tiki was a great part of the giants offense, but it also took out half of our offense. before plaxico came, we didnt score half as many points with shockey sitting on the sidelines. just admit that defenses have to focus on him and spread the field, opening the field for tiki and burress when he is in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lockhart Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 yes, tiki was a great part of the giants offense, but it also took out half of our offense. before plaxico came, we didnt score half as many points with shockey sitting on the sidelines. just admit that defenses have to focus on him and spread the field, opening the field for tiki and burress when he is in At the end of the season I saw opposing defenses putting 8 in the box to stop Tiki, DARING Eli to throw. Teams were scared of the Giant rushing game, but not the passing game - go back and look at the 2nd Redskin or the Carolina game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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