Herc Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Hes a dying breed for sure. Every young qb coming out can move these days, even the bad ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I assumed he meant the 11-12 season which was our last Super Bowl, lol. Which was indeed 7 years/seasons ago. There are no teams in the league with a roster comprised of players entirely in their late 20s early 30s. The single constant has been Eli Manning. Youre saying that the wind has to be just right, the moon has to be full, it has to be a Sunday in December, and he has to have a full 7 seconds of a clear pocket to be successful. Im sorry, but it just cant happen. He is not a play maker at quarter back and that is absolutely a huge problem in todays NFL. LOL it is football not perfect celestial alignment. Plenty of teams in the NFL can run block and pass protect, Giants are still figuring that out. I'm saying the Giants have to run the ball more and become effective at it. They need to do a better job in pass protection. Now if you think they have been getting the job done in those categories but Eli Manning is holding back the offense, you're wrong. Eli is lucky to get 5 seconds, never mind 7 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Hes a dying breed for sure. Every young qb coming out can move these days, even the bad ones especially the bad ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 LOL it is football not perfect celestial alignment. Plenty of teams in the NFL can run block and pass protect, Giants are still figuring that out. I'm saying the Giants have to run the ball more and become effective at it. They need to do a better job in pass protection. Now if you think they have been getting the job done in those categories but Eli Manning is holding back the offense, you're wrong. Eli is lucky to get 5 seconds, never mind 7 seconds. I guess what Im saying is that its pretty tough to have all of those conditions every year and there are teams out there who experience success without one and sometimes more of those conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 especially the bad ones. Its been a long time since a bad mobile quarterback was a definitive bust in the first round. I think thats more old NFL thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Its been a long time since a bad mobile quarterback was a definitive bust in the first round. I think thats more old NFL thinking. Mitch Tribusky spins for no reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Mitch Tribusky spins for no reason And hes making guys like Taylor Gabriel an absolute star... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Im not a believer yet but not the best week to bring up trubitsky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 And hes making guys like Taylor Gabriel an absolute star... Who? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Im not a believer yet but not the best week to bring up trubitsky. He had one good week. His defense keeps him in games. He's a train wreck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I guess what Im saying is that its pretty tough to have all of those conditions every year and there are teams out there who experience success without one and sometimes more of those conditions. Giants have been one of those teams and they all lack consistency in winning. It was damn near impossible to achieve that with Jerry Reese because he just never got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Surely you can't be serious... ;^) He is serious... and dont call him Surely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Beckham on ESPN asking how come the team cant throw the ball 20 yards down field and how come they cant or wont attempt to throw the ball 20 yards downfield? Sounds like he knows the answer is Manning and Shurmur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Beckham on ESPN asking how come the team cant throw the ball 20 yards down field and how come they cant or wont attempt to throw the ball 20 yards downfield? Sounds like he knows the answer is Manning and Shurmur. You are reading your own conclusion into it. It only really sounds like he has an opinion, and what that specific opinion may be is anybody's guess. Since we're guessing, I think he's referring to Manning and the pass protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Beckham on ESPN asking how come the team cant throw the ball 20 yards down field and how come they cant or wont attempt to throw the ball 20 yards downfield? Sounds like he knows the answer is Manning and Shurmur. I'm not one who is looking forward to the return of the Eli Manning that just threw it up there and hoped for the best that is when he gets into trouble. Beckham is a guy who I think is better than 50/50 in those situations but until we get defenses to respect the run, I see more problems than successes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Can you imagine Beckham in an offense like the Kurt Warner Rams or Aaron Rodgers Packers? What I don't get...in a copycat league...is how some OC or HC can scheme a play to consistently have a WR running free....and we can't with the playmakers we have. I am quick to blame the lack of offensive line...but some of these other plays happen in 2 seconds or so with a WR getting YAC... I think...we devote attention to the line this offseason in a big, big way. If we're picking top 5...we still go with the line. A good line, good RB in Barkley, and a good WR in Beckham can certainly help the new QB come along quicker when that time cones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Can you imagine Beckham in an offense like the Kurt Warner Rams or Aaron Rodgers Packers? What I don't get...in a copycat league...is how some OC or HC can scheme a play to consistently have a WR running free....and we can't with the playmakers we have. I am quick to blame the lack of offensive line...but some of these other plays happen in 2 seconds or so with a WR getting YAC... I think...we devote attention to the line this offseason in a big, big way. If we're picking top 5...we still go with the line. A good line, good RB in Barkley, and a good WR in Beckham can certainly help the new QB come along quicker when that time cones That's the thing I dont understand about Shurmur. Diggs is at his best on the skill level as Evan Engram, at most. OBJ is literally the best WR the Giants have and probably will ever have in the franchise history. Diggs was a star with Shurmur. OBJ is being used like a distraction, and he cant run anything more than a 5 yard curl route. What in the flying fuck is going on? I know the Vikings Oline is atleast a top half of the league unit, and the Giants is probably in the bottom 10, but how fucking hard is it to plan a game where; Barkley gets as many touches as possible. OBJ gets targeted as much as possible. I understand Eli still has to throw it to OBJ, but the Barkley touches and the lack of OBJ even being ran downfield is fucking asinine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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