osi724dasack Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The guy is a sick athlete, 7.07 3 cone!! He can probly play 4 OL positions at a high level, and I have him graded higher then Zachary Martin from last year. That said would you take an OL over a playmaker at WR, DB, Or DL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 i wouldn't take him over cooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 7.07 in the 3 cone destroys the slow-footed criticism of Scherff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 i wouldn't take him over cooperMe neither, I really like Cooper a lot. But If cooper is gone I think I might take Scherff (if available) over a pass rusher, DT, the other 2 WRs or a DB. Only other OL I like is Collins, I don't like Peat at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 7.07 in the 3 cone destroys the slow-footed criticism of Scherff. His highlights on YouTube are insane, he's def got LT feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 7.07 is insane. Mario manningham put up a 7.34 if I remember correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It all depends on where they have him pegged. If he's pegged as a LT, then pull the trigger. If he's a RT only, he's more top 15 to me as opposed to top 10. If he's a G, he's a 20-40 overall pick. I haven't watched tape on the guy, nor will I likely. I would have to ask the question whether he's a top 10 pick because he's the highest rated OT, or is he truly a top 10 pick? Given OLine depth, I think it's absolutely crucial we address it in the draft...possibly twice. However, given the offense McAdoo is running, if the ball is getting out quicker, the offensive line need only hold their blocks for so long. And because of that, I have to think that our issues on defense last year are more glaring. Add to that JPP being on a 1-year deal and I feel the defensive line and linebackers are more in need of a shot of youth than the offense. So while I wouldn't hate the Scherff pick, I would prefer a D-Line or OLB candidate. If the top D-Line guys and OLB guys go 1-8, then Scherff it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Look at the game film. Dude's feet are too slow to play LT, and probably RT. I mean... they're pathetically, ridiculously slow. NFL speed rushers will eat that kid alive. He's a guard, and you don't take a guard at 9. We're going WR or pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 It all depends on where they have him pegged. If he's pegged as a LT, then pull the trigger. If he's a RT only, he's more top 15 to me as opposed to top 10. If he's a G, he's a 20-40 overall pick. I haven't watched tape on the guy, nor will I likely. I would have to ask the question whether he's a top 10 pick because he's the highest rated OT, or is he truly a top 10 pick? Given OLine depth, I think it's absolutely crucial we address it in the draft...possibly twice. However, given the offense McAdoo is running, if the ball is getting out quicker, the offensive line need only hold their blocks for so long. And because of that, I have to think that our issues on defense last year are more glaring. Add to that JPP being on a 1-year deal and I feel the defensive line and linebackers are more in need of a shot of youth than the offense. So while I wouldn't hate the Scherff pick, I would prefer a D-Line or OLB candidate. If the top D-Line guys and OLB guys go 1-8, then Scherff it is. Good post, good points. I think if we take him it'll be to start at RT day 1, moving Pugh inside for a bit. Then in year 2 or 3 move Scherff to LT if Beatty becomes expendable. That said Im all for defense if Cooper is off the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Look at the game film. Lebowski's feet are too slow to play LT, and probably RT. I mean... they're pathetically, ridiculously slow. NFL speed rushers will eat that kid alive. He's a guard, and you don't take a guard at 9. We're going WR or pass rusher. Haven't seen game film just YouTube clips and his feet appeared to be very quick. But if his feet are slow then I agree. I'm not an expert on grading OL to be honest, but the 7.07 3 cone is pretty crazy and caught my eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Not sure how the Giants pass on an offensive lineman in the first after we passed on fixing the offensive line in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 I just don't want Peat, he's Beatty 2.0 Nothing against Beatty, just don't see top 10 value in Beatty. He's a 2nd round talent and that's where we drafted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Gallary 2.0 Maybe could at least hang as a RT. Big power no footwork no thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Not sure how the Giants pass on an offensive lineman in the first after we passed on fixing the offensive line in free agency.Reese has done the same in the past where we clearly have needs going into the draft (LB and TE) and he completely ignores it. On the plus side, he will go all out and sign an Aaron Curry or trade for a Keith Rivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Reese has done the same in the past where we clearly have needs going into the draft (LB and TE) and he completely ignores it. On the plus side, he will go all out and sign an Aaron Curry or trade for a Keith Rivers. This isn't a linebacker/tight end situation. Giants need a blue chip talent for the offensive line if there is any hope of not repeating last season or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Haven't seen game film just YouTube clips and his feet appeared to be very quick. But if his feet are slow then I agree. I'm not an expert on grading OL to be honest, but the 7.07 3 cone is pretty crazy and caught my eyeI don't think his feet are slow, He just lunges instead latching on to his defender and controlling him . I posted a game on him in another thread, which was his worst game. This is his best game.http://www.draftbreakdown.com/video-embed/?clip=252544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't think his feet are slow, He just lunges instead latching on to his defender and controlling him . I posted a game on him in another thread, which was his worst game. This is his best game. http://www.draftbreakdown.com/video-embed/?clip=252544 Maybe I'm just crazy but his feet looked slow in that video too. This guy is not an NFL tackle, guys. I think he's an All Pro guard, but not a tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 95% of the time I'm no fan of picking an OL in the top 10... this is one of those times. Robert Gallery anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 95% of the time I'm no fan of picking an OL in the top 10... this is one of those times. Robert Gallery anyone? Well now he was a top 5 pick and turned out to be a very good guard being paid like the next Walter Jones and that is a bad deal. Scherf at 9 under the new CBA is a safe solid pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Maybe I'm just crazy but his feet looked slow in that video too. This guy is not an NFL tackle, guys. I think he's an All Pro guard, but not a tackle. I agree he's a guard and he's a phone booth guard at that. I don't like him at 9 at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 95% of the time I'm no fan of picking an OL in the top 10... this is one of those times. Robert Gallery anyone? You could make that argument for every position, especially QB. Except for Kickers and Punters that is. There's never been a top ten K or P bust! They're a sure-fire pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Part of my opinion is shaped by my desire to go Defense in the 1st round. McAdoo got his guy last year... Spags should get his this year... but again, I know it's BPA anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Part of my opinion is shaped by my desire to go Defense in the 1st round. McAdoo got his guy last year... Spags should get his this year... but again, I know it's BPA anyway. I think we're either going "best pass rusher available" or WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't think his feet are slow, He just lunges instead latching on to his defender and controlling him . I posted a game on him in another thread, which was his worst game. This is his best game. http://www.draftbreakdown.com/video-embed/?clip=252544 I just watched it, thanks for posting. I don't see the slow feet either, they look plenty quick to me. And in light of his vertical leap and 3 cone at the pro day, he obviously has plenty of foot speed and explosiveness. I took away a concern from this video though: it looked to me like he went to sleep out there on more than a few of those plays. I don't know if that will translate to the pros, it may not be a serious issue at the next level because he'll be challenged on every play, but in this game Ohio St. obviously felt it was a waste of time to even try to rush the passer on Scherff's side. And then late in the game you start to see him lunging a bit in pass protection, I believe not because his feet are too slow, but because he took for granted that he would easily beat his man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I just watched it, thanks for posting. I don't see the slow feet either, they look plenty quick to me. And in light of his vertical leap and 3 cone at the pro day, he obviously has plenty of foot speed and explosiveness. I took away a concern from this video though: it looked to me like he went to sleep out there on more than a few of those plays. I don't know if that will translate to the pros, it may not be a serious issue at the next level because he'll be challenged on every play, but in this game Ohio St. obviously felt it was a waste of time to even try to rush the passer on Scherff's side. And then late in the game you start to see him lunging a bit in pass protection, I believe not because his feet are too slow, but because he took for granted that he would easily beat his man. Yes, he has power but doesn't finish his guy. I wanted to see more pancake blocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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